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Make Vending as Passive as Possible

The first thing people say to me when they find out that I own a bulk candy vending business is, “have you looked into snack and soda machines? I know a guy who’s making a ton of money off those things.”

I just humor the person with a smile and a nod, knowing that they would never understand why I’d never touch one of those machines.

The Passive Income Mindset

In my way of thinking, the problem with large vending machines that sell packaged products is that they require too much maintenance. They might make four times as much per month, but they require about a hundred times more maintenance.

Just think of the time you would have to spend every day loading heavy crates of soda cans at Sam’s Club, hauling them to locations, and fending off onlooking customers who want the dollar back that the machine ate yesterday.

There’s nothing wrong with working for your money, I’ve done it all my life. There’s an endless supply of people who are willing to do the work for the right price. I’ve just reached a point in my life where I value time over money. I now seek businesses that don’t require my presence to operate.

Is Vending Passive or Not?

A lot of people try to argue with that vending isn’t passive. To them, I say, it is what you make it. It can be an extremely labor-intensive venture, or it can be something that you do once a month. If you wanted to work even less, you could hire someone to make it even more passive.

If you do it my way, you only work one or two days a month. You use it as an excuse to travel, to get out of the house, to explore the neighborhood, to eat a business lunch at one of your locations, or to listen to a book on tape.

Here are a few ways to make vending as passive as possible. Even if you aren’t in the vending business, you might be able to take away something about reducing maintenance in any kind of business.

Use Triple-Vend Machines

I choose to only work with triple-vend bulk candy machines like the one in the photo at the top of this post. For me, these machines offer the right mix of affordability, volume, and capacity.

Affordability

You can find a single triple-vend machine at Sam’s Club for less than $200, or get a block of 10 on eBay for around $120 a piece. If you’re a bargain hunter, you can always find used machines from ex-vendors who bit off more than they could chew.

Volume

A triple-vend machine has three choices and therefore covers a wider market. The machines aren’t so big that they’re intrusive on a store owner’s space, but they out-sell single head machines all day. Plus, they’re small enough to fit in the trunk of your car.

Capacity

Triple-head machines carry 15-20 pounds of candy, enough to yield $150-$200 in revenue. In order to make your business as passive as possible, you need to minimize the number of service visits and maximize your yield per visit.

Choose the Right Triple-Vend

Make sure you choose a machine that is all-metal. I’ve used machines by Amerivend and Seaga, both have worked well for me. I know people who have been happy with XYZ Vending also. Don’t succumb to the temptation to buy a plastic machines. They look cheap and are more likely to break down, requiring more of your time.

Think of these machines as assets. It’s better to pay a little more for an asset that will stick around for awhile and make you money. Plus, you can sell it when you’re ready to retire and get at least half of your money back.

Control The Size of a Single Vend

You can adjust the size of a single vend on all the machines I just described. It’s important to put some thought into your portion strategy to maximize your return and minimize maintenance. You don’t want to give out so much candy that you run out every week, but at the same time, you don’t want to leave you customers feeling cheated.

When I bought the vending route that I described as The Best Deal I’ve Made Yet, the previous owner had set all of his machines to give out the maximum allowable proportion for each vend. Maybe he thought he was being generous, or maybe he didn’t realize that the machines were adjustable.

I quickly realized that he had done this when I was having to return to some locations very often and I wasn’t making the margin that I was used to. Profit margins on a bulk machines should be about 75% or more. This guy’s machines were closer to 50%.

It may seem like a selfish thing to do until you realize that there is a point of diminishing returns with generosity. People have a set expectation of what they can buy for 25 cents. If they get less than they expect, they will definitely notice (and tell you if you’re present!) On the other hand, if they get more than they expect for 25 cents, they probably won’t notice; or worse yet, they might even be annoyed!

“What am I going to do with all this candy!” “Are they trying to get me fat?”

The type of clientele also makes a difference. I have machines placed in employee break rooms with college-aged workers who expect a lot of candy for their quarter. I also have some machines in family restaurants where most of the customers are below the age of 8! These kids don’t miss the extra candy and their parents are happy to limit their sugar intake.

Experiment a little, but commit to a strategy. It is a pain to adjust the size of the vend once the machine is placed and full. It usually requires a trip back to your shop.

Find a vend size that is big enough to keep customers coming back, but small enough to make it worth your while.

Time Your Service Schedule For Maximum Yield

When I make a vending stop, I want to take home at least $50 in cash, preferably $100. If I’m going to service 20 machines in a day, I’d much rather make $100 per machine than $10.

Some people think that they need to service their machines often, even if they don’t it. Try to get away from an arbitrary service schedule and move to a smart strategy that treats each location based on it’s volume.

The ideal time to service a machine is when it’s about 1/4 full. Think of it like a gas tank. If you always filled up when the tank dropped to 3/4, you’d be filling up all the time.

Don’t ever let any one compartment on your triple-vend go completely empty. It looks tacky and it’s not making you any money. Try to time it out so you hit it before that.

If one candy is selling like hot-cakes while another is barely moving, maybe it’s time to replace the slow-mover with another candy. You might even consider doubling up on a hot candy, just so you won’t have to come back so often.

Most of my locations can go 2-3 months without service. I have a few hot-spots that need it every month, but most can wait. I don’t like to let a location go more than 4 months, because I like to know that it’s still in working condition.

Fill Your Machines to the Top

When the previous owner of one of my vending routes handed me the keys, he told me that he never filled the machines over 1/3 full. He said it was because he heard a rumor that too much candy could jam the gears.

I was shocked when he told me this. Why would a vending machine manufacturer make a machine that couldn’t handle it’s own load? He was letting superstition create a ton of extra work for him. No wonder he was selling.

I fill my machines to the top. Mainly so I don’t have to return as often, but also because it makes it easier to know how much I sold since the last time I visited. I keep careful records of how much each machine sells, and compare it to the income so I know my margins.

My Best Location

My best location is in a high-volume family restaurant. I had no idea that it was going to be such a great location until I showed up the first month after 4 weeks to find it bone dry! I was both excited and terrified, mainly because I was moving to Los Angeles and wasn’t planning on coming back to Austin but once every two months.

My initial solution was to install another machine. I convinced the store owner that demand was such that we needed to offer another option. I walked away satisfied, and returned a month later. To my surprise, four of the six compartments were… bone dry again!

What a nice problem to have, huh! I knew I was going to have to get clever. I noticed that the gumball compartments on both machines were dry. I replaced one of the slow movers with a 3rd gumball compartment, replaced peanut M&M’s (which run out faster because they’re bigger) with regular M&M’s, and adjusted all the serving sizes down (the clientele was mainly kids).

Now, when I go back there every two months and open the money hatch, quarters spill out like a slot machine.

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Pingback from stephentrepreneur
Time: November 30, 1999, 12:00 am

the pros and cons of vending-machines reminded me of how much money I wasted during my teenage years. Stupid really, but amazing now that I think about it. Long before I started hard at looking for full-time work, I was a dole-bludger. This is an Australian colloquialism that refers to

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Time: November 30, 1999, 12:00 am

RBC Direct Investing brokerage. This will compliment my comparison of Canadian Discount Brokerages. Financial Security Quest reviews “The Secret” and gives his opinion on the subject. Genuis Types writes about his passive income business with candy vending machines. I’ve thought about vending machines after reading his posts, but decided that it wasn’t for me. Anyone here have any experience with this type of business? Wallstrip has a great video about the new Apple iPhone

Comment from HalOtis
Time: July 17, 2007, 9:59 am

You’re really selling me on this bulk candy business. It’s an intriguing opportunity.

Besides bulk candy, and this blog, do you have any other passive income streams? Or are you looking for more?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: July 17, 2007, 11:33 am

Check out My Passive Income Report for other streams. Those are what I have now, and I have more in the works!

Comment from Lydia
Time: July 17, 2007, 1:44 pm

Hey thanks a lot! I was wondering how a bulk candy business worked, and this helped answer my questions, thank you!

P.S. Robert Kyosaki rocks!

Comment from Steve
Time: July 17, 2007, 1:49 pm

Nice post - I have a friend who has purchased some gum machines and is looking for ideas.

thanks for your thoughts,

Stephen Martile
Personal Development with NLP
http://www.stephenmartile.com

Comment from Savvy Frugality
Time: July 17, 2007, 9:38 pm

Very informative post! I’ve been considering vending for awhile, but now that you have explained it so well I may actually take action and buy a couple of machines. How do you go about finding your locations, and how much of a percentage do the businesses hosting your machines take?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: July 17, 2007, 10:48 pm

I usually just walk into a place and ask to speak to a decision maker. There are also companies that will locate for you for a fee.

I don’t give a percentage to the host, it’s just too small a sum to be any benefit to them, and an accounting nightmare. A better approach is to have an arrangement with a charity.

Comment from Kyle G.
Time: July 18, 2007, 8:33 am

Yep.. Thay are the same. Amerivend has a store on ebay. I looked into Amerivend, but found that there machines are the same as xyz vending, and cost a lot more. I pay $115.00 for a XYZ machine, and have never had one to break, stop vending, all that stuff you have to deal with when you use cheap machines. I will post a picture of a XYZ machine on my blog, so you can see it in person.

MY BLOG:

http://guthvending-myvendingblog.blogspot.com/

Seaga: I used to use them..but stopped after the coin mech broke, and vended free Peanut M&Ms for a month, until thay were all gone. I lost a bunch of money on that machine.

So now I am using a knock off of Seaga, Gumball Machine Warehouse. I have not had any problems with them since I have started using them.

Kyle G.

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: July 18, 2007, 10:22 am

Thanks, Kyle. That’s good information.

Comment from Kyle G.
Time: July 18, 2007, 10:59 am

Just thought I would tell you that. I have been doing this since I was 13 years old. Stared with seaga got 20 of them and switched!

Kyle G.

Comment from Kyle G.
Time: July 18, 2007, 11:11 am

Here is your site for amerivend.

http://myworld.ebay.com/amerivend_llc/

Comment from Joe
Time: July 19, 2007, 10:55 am

I have a few Seaga triplevends, and when I went to service one of them, I found out that the coin mechanism was very hard to turn when someone puts a quarter in. Has this ever happened to you? Do you have any suggestions for fixing the coin mechanism so that it turns more easily?

Comment from Jan Hindrik
Time: July 22, 2007, 6:10 am

Nice info.. brian. can you tell me what you think about kiddie rides? Do you have experience whith those machines?

I made a few phone calls and people tell me the machines need maintnence about once every 3 months. But even if they need maintnance you only need to do the accounting for the machines because it’s possible to let your business partner empty the cash out the machines.

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: July 22, 2007, 2:21 pm

Sounds interesting. My only concern would be initial investment and liability.

Comment from Kyle G.
Time: July 22, 2007, 8:04 pm

Jan,

I think I will stick with my cranes!

Kyle G.

Comment from Jan Hindrik
Time: July 22, 2007, 11:30 pm

The investment would be 1000 euro a piece (depends on the model) thats about 1370 dollar. Here in The Netherlands you can get liability insurace for about 15 dollars a month.

I don’t it gets anymore passive then that.

Comment from valerie
Time: July 24, 2007, 10:42 am

Hi. I really like your site.
I like the article on vending. I read Small Business Opportunity magazine, and the ads for starting a vending business requires at least a $10,000 investment!!! After reading this article, I know I don’t have to invest that much!!!!!
thanks again.

Comment from Kyle G.
Time: July 24, 2007, 1:16 pm

Yep thay call those adds biz opps. Do not fall for a biz opp. Just go buy 1 machine. No need to buy $10,000 worth of machines.

Kyle G.

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Time: September 13, 2007, 9:50 pm

[…] Make Vending as Passive as Possible | Genius TypesI ve used machines by Amerivend and Seaga , both have worked well for me. I know people who have been happy with XYZ Vending also. Don t succumb to the temptation to buy a plastic machines. […]

Comment from CreditCardGuy
Time: November 23, 2007, 12:13 pm

My brother had 40 vending machines and did quite well. You can start out by buying just 1 -5 to see how you like it. Low investment and high margin.

Great Articles Brian on Keeping it passive.

Wishing Everyone a Great Thanksgiving Weekend 2007

Comment from Tim
Time: November 24, 2007, 6:17 pm

I run triples and love them in the areas that I market. I primarily put my triples in large employee break rooms and they do great. I’m on the prowl now for some more triples, as I’m about to expand my business quite a bit over the next year. I thought about going with the brand of equipment that I currently have, because they are quality machines, but they cost 40-50% more than the xyz and the amerivend. Does anyone have any experience with these machines? How do they hold up? Any issues? I’m thinking that if I go with either the xyz or the amerivend, I would be able to pay myself back in almost half the time, and allow my business to grow at a faster pace, and that’s what I want. Any suggestions would be helpfull.

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: November 24, 2007, 11:30 pm

I’ve had Amerivend machines for the last two years. The only problem I’ve had has been on my most active machine, a $150+ per month location which has run perfectly for two years until the dispensing mechanism broke down. I don’t know how to fix it, so that machine is out as far as I’m concerned. The rest have gone without a hitch.

Just curious Tim, what is your average profit per month per machine on your route?

Comment from Valerie Schaeffer
Time: November 26, 2007, 8:35 am

Love the site!
Quick question, do you simply walk into places of businesses and ask to set up your vending machine? Do you need any paperwork???
Thanks

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: November 28, 2007, 12:42 pm

I don’t use paperwork, but I’m sure it’s not a bad idea. Anyone else?

Comment from Jerry Williams
Time: November 29, 2007, 11:54 pm

Is there a need to put Insurance on the Machines. Are the machines tax deductable(milage,maitnanace,etc)?

Comment from Chris
Time: February 18, 2008, 3:53 pm

Hey Brian how do you keep careful records of how much each machine sells, and compare it to the income so I know my margins etc… for records do you use excel or a program specifically for candy vending? Where do you usually place your candy vending machines at restaurant etc… in the entrance or exit door ways ?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: February 23, 2008, 12:55 am

I made up a worksheet to log what I do on my route and feed the information into QuickBooks. I’ll put it up on Genius Types sometime so you can see what I’m talking about.

I have a few restaurant locations, but I tend to prefer employee breakrooms.

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