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Bulk Candy Vending for Passive Income

Often the best ideas are right under our noses. How many times have you walked past a quarter candy machine in a restaurant lobby or break room? Did it ever occur to you that starting a bulk candy vending business could give you a source of passive income?

If you do it right and avoid the scams, bulk candy vending is an excellent way to take your first step toward financial freedom by collecting passive income producing assets. While it won’t get you rich overnight, consider these benefits:

The startup costs are extremely low, the return on investment is fantastic, and the amount of maintenance required to sustain a consistent cashflow is so low, I consider it passive income. Plus, everyone loves the candy man!

Passive Income

When I was first enlightened to the idea of passive income, I immediately wanted to start collecting it. What I really wanted to get into was real estate, but I had horrible credit and no money in the bank for a down payment. While the gurus will tell you that it is still possible to purchase properties under these conditions, I didn’t have the time it would have required to find my diamond in the rough.

The beauty of passive income is the freedom it gives you from trading your hours for dollars. At most jobs, you get paid based on how much you work. Since you can only work so much, your income potential at a regular job is severely limited.

A passive income producing asset, on the other hand, pays you whether you work or not. This means that your income potential is only limited by the number of assets you are able to collect.

While the idea of unlimited money got my attention, the thing that really got me excited was the idea of time freedom. If I could collect enough passive income producing assets to cover my expenses, I could do whatever I wanted with my time. Since my dream was to be a filmmaker (a profession where most people don’t make a dime), time freedom sounded like a dream come true.

What I needed was what I call a crowbar, which is a burst of productivity to get me out of a financially distressed state and onto a stronger platform from which I could start my career in real estate. I wanted to find an income-producing asset in the hundreds of dollars instead of the thousands so that I could continue my debt repayment plan and start producing passive income at the same time.

The Ah-Ha! Moment

At the time, my girlfriend and I worked as bartenders at a restaurant. Every shift, she would take a few quarters out of the tip jar to get a few handfuls of candy from the vending machine.

One day, I was teasing her about how much money she had put in that thing over the course of her bartending career. As soon as I had finished my sentence, her eyes lit up. “How much money do you think those things make?”

Over the rest of the shift, we took notice of how many dollar bills we changed out for quarters. We started to hear the clack noises the machines make when someone puts a quarter in and turns the handle. The machine was taking in all kinds of money and the owner was nowhere in sight!

Levels of Passive Income

Passive is a relative term when it applies to income. No investment requires no effort at all after the initial setup. Even if you own a stock portfolio that someone else manages, you still have to manage your manager from time to time.

What I have found is that there are different levels to how passive an income stream is; and usually, the more expensive the asset, the more passive the income.

Income from stocks is pretty high on the passive scale, but it takes a lot of money to make a significant return. Real Estate can be pretty passive, especially if you have a property manager, but often requires a down payment, good credit, a steady job, a creative mortgage broker, Jerry McGuire negotiating skills, or some combination of these things. Unfortunately, creative types don’t often have any of these things.

Bulk candy vending is the least passive of all of these examples, but is also the least expensive to get into. For me, it was the perfect gateway asset into passive imcome.

If I were to calculate an hourly wage for the maintenance I put into my business, it would be about ten times higher than I could get from a decent job. I consider this passive income in my current position. As I roll more and more of my profits into bigger assets, and my time becomes more valuable, I will eventually either sell the candy business or hire someone else to run it.

So, What are we Looking at?

The question everyone wants to know is: How much money do you make from those things?

While the income varies wildly from location to location, I conservatively average about $25 in profit per month per location. Some of my locations earn as little as $5 and some as high as $150.

Gumballs cost about 2 cents a piece and are sold for 25. The profit margins on other types of candy hover around 70%.

You can buy a brand new triple vend candy machine like the one on the picture at the top of this post at Sam’s Club or on the internet for about $200 on the high side and about $100 if you are buying in bulk or used. This means that each machine should be able to pay for itself in about six months or less.

Think about this: If you paid $150 for a machine that earned you $300 over the course of one year, the ROI for that machine would be 200%! Most business and real estate investors are happy with a 20% return and you just earned ten times that!

Now $300 isn’t going to make you rich, but if you had 20 locations, you would have $6000 at the end of the year to put down on an investment property. If you really went crazy and secured 100 locations, you might be looking at $30,000. Even better, that income would keep coming in as long as you had your locations.

Time Commitment

Most of my machines can go about two months before they need service. Servicing them takes all of five minutes plus drive time, candy shopping, coin counting, and accounting. Really, I only spend a couple of days a month on my candy business, and I can take a six week vacation if I want without a sweat.

Why Bulk?

The comment I always seem to get from well-meaning acquaintances is, Have you ever thought about those big soda and snack machines? I bet those make a lot of money.

The answer is I thought about it until I realized that those things need constant maintenance. While they also make a lot of money, this sort of vending is more of a job and less of a passive investment. I am perfectly happy collecting multiple streams of income that are smaller, but passive; and add up into something to talk about.

How to get Started

If you feel like bulk candy vending is up your alley, I would suggest starting out by buying one machine and approximately $50 worth of candy to fill it at your local warehouse store. What ever you do, don’t fall for one of the thousands of scams out there that want thousands of dollars to start this really simple business. You can start it for less than $200.

Don’t get greedy and buy a lot of ten, twenty, or forty machines up front expecting to conquer your local vending world. I see people like this all the time trying to dump all of the machines they didn’t place on eBay. Getting locations can be a challenge. It’s best to see if you have the stomach for the cold calls before you dive in.

One month after you place the first machine, you could take the $25 it made and add another $175 of your own to buy your second machine. In the third month, you take the $50 those machines made plus $150 of your own for the third machine, and so on for about six months and six locations.

Once you have six locations, you should be making about $150 per month which should pay for an additional machine each month if you have found a cheaper source than Sam’s Club. You might even hit a couple of high-volume locations right off the bat that really get you rolling.

Once you have proven that you have a knack for getting locations, only then would I suggest that you let your earnings accumulate to buy your first lot of ten. I never buy in larger lots than ten unless I am getting an incredible deal from someone who has given up on their business. The rates of return are so high, it doesn’t matter if you are paying an extra ten or twenty bucks a machine.

Money Matters

Please, don’t go into debt to start this business. It isn’t hard to put aside $50 a month until you have enough to buy your first machine. Have patience and you will avoid getting in over your head. This is supposed to be passive income, not a stressful job trying to pay back your credit card interest.

Make sure you have a separate checking account to handle all of your business transactions. Buy your candy and machines out of this account and deposit your quarters. This way, you know when you have made enough to buy more machines by checking your account balance.

Check with an accountant or lawyer to set up the proper business structure and to get the proper licenses in your area. Since this is a business of small chunks of income, it is even more important to keep good records to make sure that you are turning a profit. You’ll also want to be on top of your business so you can accurately report your income and tax deductions to the IRS.

How to get Locations

Now for the hard part: getting locations. It can be tricky at first, but after a little practice, it will become second nature.

When you get up the courage to walk into a place of business, ask for the decision maker and say something like this: My name is Brian with Cool Candy Machines, and I was wandering if you might have an extra few square feet for a candy machine like this (produce picture) that is a free service to your customers and employees at no cost to you. To which they will reply, What’s in it for me?

While I truly believe that my machines add value to a place of business by pacifying kids, giving employees a quick treat to keep up their spirits, and offering a product that the owner doesn’t have to hassle with; this usually isn’t enough to convince them.

You could offer a commission, but the way I see it, 10% of $25 doesn’t mean a thing to a business. The business owner might even come back by suggesting that he just buy his own candy machine. True, you say, but is the hassle really worth an extra $25 a month? I am a professional vending operator. This is what I do for a living. I know the right candy, the right time to fill it, the right amount, the right presentation, and the right way to fix the machines when they break down. It’s only because I have dozen’s of locations that it begins to be an income for me.

Mr. Business Owner, you continue, I have an arrangement with a local charity, XYZ. Most business owners are happy to donate their 10% commission to this charity.

Charity

While there are national charities that have programs specifically designed for vending operators, I would suggest forming a relationship with a local charity that actually means something for you. This will help motivate you to get locations and also provide a way for you to actually contribute to charity instead of putting it off until you make enough money.

Two Kinds of Locations

The two basic types of locations that you might get are front of the house (restaurant lobbies, carwash waiting rooms, etc.), and back of the house (employee break rooms). While front of the house locations tend to be harder to get, the advantage is that you have access to their employees and customers. Back of the house locations usually don’t make as much, but are much easier to sell.

Here’s a big secret: There is a certain kind of back of the house business that can be both profitable and welcoming: clothing stores with high school and college aged employees. People in this age range love candy, and the manager’s of such places will usually welcome a machine in their storage room to keep them happy.

What Kind of Candy?

I usually give the location the option of picking from a few pre-selected candy offerings to get them even more invested in the project. I tend to have good luck with Gumballs, Reese’s Pieces, Skittles, M&M’s, Peanut M&M’s, Peanuts, and Runts. Hot Tomales are okay if the location is well air-conditioned, but they tend to go bad after a few months.

I try to always have one of my vending slots dedicated to gumballs because of the profit margin, but some locations don’t want the chance of gum stuck to their floors. I also like the combination of a sugary candy on one side with a chocolaty candy on the other.

Candy Settings

Most bulk candy vending machines have a setting that allows you to choose how much candy will dispense for a quarter. This setting is important because it is closely tied to your profit margin. If you set it too high, you will cut into your profits. If you set it too low, your customers will feel ripped off.

The Maintenance Routine

The essence of a good maintenance run is stealth. Good vending service means the owner should be able to forget about you. Never let a machine go empty and turn into an eye sore.

I try to get in and get out quickly without causing a stir. I don’t want to give them a chance to rethink my welcome. If I have a little bit of candy left in a bag, I give it to whatever employees are around. This keeps them on my side!

I keep a big cooler in my car with the candy and carry individual loads in my backpack. I also carry rubber gloves, a screwdriver, cleaner, paper towels, keys, extra business cards, zippered money bags, and some clear tape in the backpack. Once I’m back in the car, I move the quarters from the zippered bag to a zip-lock bag that I label with a sharpie. I take note of how much candy I used and any other notes in my route log and head to the next location.

Keep your Eye out for Deals

Like I said before, there are a lot of people out there who bought a bunch of machines with good intentions, but ended up being lazy and just wanting to get rid of them. I have a keyword alert set up on my eBay account that alerts me whenever a listing has the words candy vending machine in it.

A keyword alert like this tipped me off to the biggest deal I had ever come across at the time. I found a listing that enabled me to buy out an entire vending route with locations for less than the machines alone were worth. I’ll tell you the whole story in another post, but the guy just got tired of the route and basically gave it to me.

Happy Vending

Bulk candy vending won’t make you rich, but it can provide the bridge you need into a life of passive income. It’s a simple, low-maintenance business that even a kid could run. In fact, it’s a great way to teach kids about how a business works.

If you are considering starting a vending business, I hope this article helped! Our business has been a blessing for us. It has been one of a collection of passive income streams that has allowed us to pursue what we truly love: creativity!

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Comment from John Wesley
Time: January 25, 2007, 12:54 pm

Interesting post. It’s cool to see the actual mechanics of setting up a small business.

Comment from Kareese Lindsqy
Time: February 3, 2007, 3:26 pm

hi,
your ad has convjnved me. I am in the process of purchasing 1000 because I know it really really works and I already have locations set up.. About how much do you think that I will make?

Comment from brianclee
Time: February 3, 2007, 4:51 pm

I hope you’re not talking about 1000 machines. Maybe $1000 worth of machines?

I’m glad my article helped you. My advice would be to take it slow and start small until you really get the hang of it.

I average about $25 a machine per month. I think that is a good starting place for budgeting.

Thanks for participating in my blog!

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Time: February 7, 2007, 6:54 am

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Comment from Alex Shalman
Time: February 13, 2007, 9:41 pm

Just how many vending machines are you the proud owner of?

Comment from Brian
Time: February 13, 2007, 9:51 pm

I own about 60 machines, 40 of which are placed in locations. Do you know anyone in LA or Austin that needs a candy machine?

Comment from Alex Shalman
Time: February 13, 2007, 10:16 pm

Sorry Brian I live on the East Coast and I’ve never been out there… well except a trip to San Francisco a couple of summers ago.

Comment from geoff nash
Time: March 4, 2007, 2:15 am

you will find that vending is work and thats ok if you want to make a good income this is the business to be in. I like bulk vending to me its a good business to be in and even though i have only 7 machines i have some awesome locations. But never give up if people say no dont get upset, keep on going keep your chin up and go get em tiger you can do it.

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Comment from Scott
Time: March 15, 2007, 9:37 pm

Hi Brian.
Thanks for this really helpful information.
What I’m not clear on is what you say about $25 per location per month. Does this mean off of each selection? In other words, if you have a 3 head machine, do you make an average of $25 per selection or on the whole thing.

When are you going to post about you “biggest deal ever” you found?

Thanks a lot
Scott

When are you

Comment from Brian
Time: March 16, 2007, 9:16 am

I conservatively estimate net profits on my 3-head machines to be about $25 per month per machine. That means about $40 in quarters minus $15 in candy and expenses. I always like to budget low so that I can be pleasantly surprised. Some of my triple headers net closer to $150, but those are diamonds in the rough.

If you do the math, it would take 400 machines to make $10,000 a month. At this level, the business would be a full time job. Since I’m not interested in another job, the sweet spot for me is about 80 machines and $2000 a month and I’m half way there.

At this level, it only takes 4 or 5 days of work per month to keep up the machines.

Thanks for the reminder on the big deal I promised everyone. I’ll work on that when I return from SXSW.

Comment from Steve
Time: March 24, 2007, 6:53 pm

I love the notion of “passive income” however I must respectfully disagree with the author. Bulk vending to me is anything but “passive”. I own and operate a fleet of over 600 machines and put in about 50 hours a week on running my routes/business. That doesnt include finding new locations for the kick outs and poor performers which average about 10% or roughly 60 machines per month that need to be re-located. Industry average income for a bulk machine is roughly $7.00 per month depending on product line, locations and geographic area. My fleet average sits at $8.23 per month. I do agree however with the remainder of your article. A good read indeed. Best of luck, Steve

Comment from Brian
Time: March 24, 2007, 7:06 pm

Wow! 600 Machines! That’s insane.

I can see why you disagree with me if you are putting in 50 hours per week on your business. I would have the same opinion if I were you.

That’s why I say that the term “passive” is relative. To you, bulk vending is not passive. Since I only spend about two days a month on my route, and make closer to $25 per machine, bulk candy is passive for me. I have no desire to have more than around 80 machines.

That being said, bulk candy is the least passive of all of my investments. Once I start making enough money from my other investments, bulk candy will loose it’s passive status and be the first to go.

Thanks for stopping by!

Comment from Mike G
Time: March 26, 2007, 7:16 am

GREAT article, Brian, really great. I was excited after about the second sentence. By the end I was all but foaming at the mouth! I’m on eBay as we speak, eyeing up my first machine. You’re a genius. God damn GENIUS!

Comment from Brian
Time: March 26, 2007, 10:18 am

Mike, you’re cracking me up!

Comment from jo
Time: March 26, 2007, 1:37 pm

I am considering starting my own bulk vending business. So if you are making a gross of $40/month that means that on average, you have 160 people per month buying your goods. That amounts to an average of just over 5 people per day.

So your expenses I assume are for the candy and rental (paying for your location). Do any of you guys do the charity thing? Sounds like a good idea. They get candy and it makes them look good.

Comment from Brian
Time: March 26, 2007, 1:43 pm

Out of the $40, I subtract about $15 to pay for candy. Gumballs are very inexpensive, but candy like Reese’s Pieces, and M&M’s cost more.

As a general rule, I don’t pay for locations. The $4 a month I would pay them is silly and I usually convince them that it is better served to go to my charity. I pay 10% of my net to a local charity that I have an arrangement with.

You can buy these stickers from Child Watch, or other national charities for $1 per month per machine. Those seem to work well, but I feel more comfortable with 10% to a charity that I care about.

After the dust has settled, I usually budget for about $25 profit per month per machine.

I have spoken to people who are making much more (Mike) and much less (Steve) per machine. In my experience, it’s better to budget low and be pleasantly surprised.

Comment from Steve
Time: March 26, 2007, 7:38 pm

Another note on the charity side. I do as well support the National Childrens Cancer Society. I send them $1 per machine per month. Doesnt sound like much but with the amount of machines I run it turns into a significant amount. My fleet is 100% charity placed. I also run full line soda/beverage machines as well. You can get a better idea of what I do and why by clicking on my name above.

Comment from Brian
Time: March 26, 2007, 7:46 pm

Thanks for all of your input, Steve. It’s nice to hear from a real full-time professional.

Aside from the fact that it’s less passive than it looks, would you recommend the business to others? Are you happy with the business as a whole?

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Comment from Brandon Hopkins
Time: March 27, 2007, 10:11 am

Great article Brian! I love the vending business as well. Passive if you make it passive.

Comment from jo
Time: March 27, 2007, 1:51 pm

Which candy is the most popular and cheapest? Do you recommend 1, 2, or 3 head machines?

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Comment from Brian
Time: March 27, 2007, 2:03 pm

I use triple-head machines like the one in the picture at the top of this post.

The candy mix that I use the most is: reese’s pieces, gumballs, and skittles.

This way, I have a choice of something chocolaty, something sweet, and the best profit-margin: gumballs.

Since skittles are so tiny, you have to adjust the machine down to release less of them in order to get your profit margin up. Be careful though, people will notice if you are too skimpy. You have to balance customer satisfaction with profit margin.

Comment from jo
Time: March 27, 2007, 2:05 pm

Any books you recommend for this topic? On wikipedia it mentions Bryon Krug’s Vending Business-in-a-Box. Have any of you guys read it? Is it useful?

Comment from Brian
Time: March 27, 2007, 2:11 pm

The book I read was called The Vending Jackpot by Ronnie Talent. I found it to be very helpful and enough to get me started.

Comment from Steve
Time: March 27, 2007, 4:59 pm

Brian, I would absolutley recommend this business to anyone. (Except people in my area) ha ha. All kidding aside, vending can be quite profitable however a prospective vending operator must aware of the work that is required to make any serious money in this business. One of the biggest misconceptions is that it is a “hands off” business. That may be the case in the beginning but as you grow, more hands are required. My biggest piece of advice to anyone starting out in this biz is to start slow. Dont fall prey to the numerous biz-op scams out there. If a vending company wants you to buy multiple machines and wont allow you to buy just one at a time, run away quickly. I started out with 1 double head machine. By the time I placed my 8th machine I let the business pay for the next and so on. The exponetial growth is incredible. Patience is a must though. It wont happen overnight. The Vending Jackpot is a great book!

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Comment from shane
Time: April 2, 2007, 10:59 am

how about the legal side of running a buisness like that? is there anything you have to do?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: April 2, 2007, 11:26 am

I’m not a lawyer or an accountant, but I do know that you need to get a sales permit in most states. You also need to account for your profits and report them to the IRS.

It’s best to check to see if there are any restrictions on selling candy. I would consult a good accountant and lawyer if I were you.

Comment from Steve
Time: April 2, 2007, 2:08 pm

Shane, In addition to Brian’s comments let me add these, This is a business like any other. If you are pulling in any profit you should adhere to the business laws in your locality. At the very least you should apply for and obtain a license to operate the machines. In my state it only cost $3.00 per machine, per year. A business license might be a good idea as well depending on your location. Other things to consider are good record keeping come tax time and whether or not you want to carry liability insurance. That choice is up to you. Some people buy it (At very expensive rates) while others choose to incorporate as an LLC. Which you choose is up to you. Either option has pros and cons, however I strongly recommend protecting yourself with one or the other. The last thing you need is a youngster choking on a gumball you sold him or one of your machines toppling over on a baby. My point in all my ramblings here (And I appreciate Brian for allowing me the forum) is that if you run a bulk vending route, you are in business, treat is as such and dont skimp thinking that you wont get caught. At the very least, being legal adds a certian amount of credibility to your business. If you dont take it serious enough to get legal then no one will take you serious as a business owner. With all that being said, I have only scraped the surface on what is required legally to run this or any business. Make sure you investigate the requirements locally before you jump into any venture. Call your local town hall or visit their website. Thats where I found the “bulk” of my information when I started. Good luck to you!

Comment from Janell
Time: April 3, 2007, 8:07 pm

Great information, thank you!

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: April 3, 2007, 8:45 pm

Thanks for stopping by!

Comment from jonathan roy
Time: April 9, 2007, 9:36 pm

i really liked what you wrote about bulk candy vending. i just started this business with 10 machines when i went today to collect the money out of the 3 i only made like $12 in about 15 days i was soo disappointed but thanx for the encouragement. You have any prefrence of locations that do better than others???? thanx again for the info man

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: April 9, 2007, 10:09 pm

It’s a numbers game, Jonathan. I have several locations that only make a few bucks a month, but I also have locations that make several hundred a month.

As a general rule of thumb, traffic = profits. Restaurant lobbies are usually great locations, but hard to land.

I prefer to approach retail stores with college-aged employees about a machine in their break room. Kids that age eat a lot of candy.

You have to just keep making approaches and booking locations. Once you have all 10 machines out, you can start pulling your slowest locations and relocating them to better spots.

Good luck!

Comment from Steve
Time: April 10, 2007, 12:32 pm

Jonathan,

Congrats on your first take! Please dont get too discouraged because you are doing great! If my math is correct, you are pulling in about $8.00 per month/per machine! That is slightly more than national average! Now if you figure that out times 10 (Your full fleet) thats $80.00 a month of passive income! Not shabby! Using those numbers, think of what you could accomplish with 100 machines. Keep up the good work!

When I first started with one machine I pulled exactly $1.32 and a couple of toothpicks out of the thing after 1 month. Yes there were pennies in there and anyone in this business knows why the toothpicks were there but thats another story I wont share here. My family thought I was out of my mind! “How can you make any decent money doing that?” I was asked. But I stuck with it. Never gave up because I knew the numbers. Now its my full time gig and I love it.

As far as locations… Restaurants are great! look in your town for small locally owned eateries. Develop a relationship with the owners. They are also more likely to be responsive to charity placement than larger companies. I have several restaurant locations and they all do well. My family and I patronize them regularly and when I go to collect from the machines they ask me how my children are. I am the only vendor in these establishments, and will be for some time, because I eat there and developed a relationship with the owners. Thats the best way to get and keep great locations.

Sorry to ramble again. Good luck to you!

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Comment from Hudzon
Time: April 20, 2007, 7:45 am

You said that you will sell it in the future because it’s not passive enough.
However, would it be feasible to hire someone to manage it for you and thus make it completely passive?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: April 20, 2007, 11:39 am

I like the way you think, Hudzon, but there are a few things that make this unlikely.

1) It’s a cash business, and it would be hard to find someone I trust.
2) I am trying as hard as I can to avoid the hassle and liability of employees.

but, it’s not entirely out of the question.

Comment from Steve
Time: April 20, 2007, 2:15 pm

Brian,

You can always look into EZcount! It is something I am looking into because I am on the verge of hiring employees. They make a counter that you can install into your machines and then you can “read” the meter via the internet. It will tell you how much money is in the machine before anyone makes the collection. If any money is taken, you’ll know. The system is quite pricey though but well worth the savings in employee theft and un-necessary trips to empty quarters before its required. For more info just google “ezcount” Its very revolutionary.

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: April 20, 2007, 2:39 pm

Steve, that’s a great suggestion. I had no idea that existed.

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Time: April 22, 2007, 7:56 pm

s the proportion of active/passive. I’m not sure how much Network Marketing is active, so to be conservative, I would reckon that his business ventures total is even better than John’s total at at over 84%. His candy business requires minimal work as he tells us, but his blogging totals are not broken down clearly, so it’s possible that the 84% passive income could be higher. If it is like John’s ReviewME reviews, this is well paid but still very much active revenue.

Comment from richard
Time: May 2, 2007, 9:02 pm

this was a great post im about to turn 18 and i would like to make a little extra money while im at college..this is the perfect thing i can do to make a little money so i can live at school. thanks a ton!

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 2, 2007, 11:17 pm

That’s great Richard! I wish I had found this business when I was 18. I didn’t figure it out until I was 29!

Comment from Tony
Time: May 7, 2007, 4:44 am

Hi there
Great post!

I started in this business in December of last year in the UK and so far have enjoyed the business and have recently bought some more machines that i am going to site in the next couple of weeks.

I have achieved the numbers i was hoping for…and very much agree that from site to site the takings vary…..from a few pounds over a couple of months.. to having to fill the machines every 3 weeks.

I think i am now getting strong enough to NOT ride an emotional rollercoaster of disappointment followed by elation depending on how full or empty the machines are when i visit them!

I have 24 machines at present….and have just bought another 50….my aim was to have 300 by the end of the year…i’m a little bit behind that figure so have some catching up to in the second half of the year.

Am rather more interested in giving up my 9-5 day job and earning my own money from my own business than the passive income perspective that the original post focuses on….but maybe in a year or two once the business has paid for itself over again i will hire someone to do the collections and fillings for me…..therefore making it much more passive eventually.

With my 28th bday coming up….i am aiming to be in a position to be earning £60k per year by the time i reach 30th from this business if my expansion goes to plan!…who knows…maybe even sooner!

bye for now

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 7, 2007, 10:31 am

Tony, I’m impressed! You’re one of the few that is putting words to action!

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Comment from David
Time: May 25, 2007, 6:23 pm

what brand of machines do you folks recomend?
I am looking at pre-owned vendstar 3000’s, xyz vending’s triple head machine they sell on ebay for $119 w/ shipping and other misc. triple head machines.

Also, I am looking at placing sugerless gum machines in bars and eating establishments.

I am hoping they will do well even in locations with multiple candy vending machines.

I have NEVER done this before, and would welcome any help.

my main concern is buying the equipment - is there any real difference in the machines? If not, which ones are the best? Why? Any BAD ones to avoid?

I was just out looking at locations today, and secured a location for a dentine Ice machine in a mexican rest. First location, and first try. The location has two triple candy units and a sticker mach. I hope it will support a sugerless gum addition - any comments?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 25, 2007, 6:41 pm

Congratulations, David, on taking the first step!

My experience with machines has been with Amerivend, Saega, and some old machines that I bought used and don’t know the manufacturer.

I’ve seen those XYZ machines on eBay and they look very similar to the Amerivend machines that I have been very happy with.

If I were you, I’d start with 2 or 3 machines for a few months and just see how it goes. Don’t get in over your head with 20 machines before you figure out that getting locations wasn’t as easy as you had hoped.

Back to the equipment, I acquired a bunch of old machines from a guy when I bought his business and a lot of the machines are breaking down. If I had the choice between buying new and used, I would buy new, especially at $119 a piece. If you get a good location, it could pay for that machine in one month.

My style is one of ready, fire, aim, so I think it is more important to start with SOMETHING rather than wait for the perfect machine.

Comment from David
Time: May 25, 2007, 7:06 pm

ii have found some vendstar 3000’s in seatle - about 175 miles away for $50ea. Also I found four u-turn machines I can get all four for $150 TOTAL. They are about 100 miles away.

Do you have any experaince with these machines?

Not going to get in over my head! been around to long for that. Things always look beter on paper than in life - I am going to pop for 4 machines If I get the u-turns they will cost me under $50 each, when I figure the gas to get them.

What would be the charecteristics of a “good location” that could pay for $100+ machine in a month?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 25, 2007, 8:07 pm

I don’t have any experience with either of those machines.

Good locations tend to have one of two things:

1) high traffic, especially kids. -restaurants are good examples

or

2) a lot of habitual, consistent customers -employee break rooms where the same people make a purchase every day.

Comment from Steve
Time: May 26, 2007, 7:54 am

David, Allow me to comment. The choice of machine is ultimately up to you and granted, they all do the same thing however some are built a little better than others or easier (or harder) to service. The two machines you mentioned above wouldnt be my choice of machines. I will explain.

The Vendstar - This machine, while easy to service, is made entirely of plastic. Including the coin mechanism. In my opinion, at the very least the coin mechanism should be metal and not a material that can be broken by hand. Yes they are very inexpensive and you can find tons of them on eBay everyday. I have seen my competitors Vendstars on location with turn knobs busted of or knobs that turn freely with no money! They also have limited product visibility. Which is not entirely a bad thing but I want my colorful product to be seen clearly.

U-Turn - Once again these machines suffer from many of the same problems the Vendstars do. Plastic mechanisms, Limited visibility due to half of the product facing the wall. These machines are difficult to service as well and the added amount of candy you must stock is increased as well leading to increased spoilage.

My recommendation - Go with XYZ or Amerivend to start off. These machines are well built metal machines and come with very decent price tags. Of the two I prefer Amerivend. Once you decide to upgrade I would look into Seaga’s and Northwestern’s. Some will tell you Oak’s and Beaver’s but I feel these machines dont justify the added cost.

I hope I have been somewhat helpful. I agree with Brian though, any machine is better than none. Good luck to you!

Comment from David Rea
Time: May 26, 2007, 1:56 pm

Thanks for the tips.

I can get 5 U-Turns for $125 - bought by a guy that never placed them.

Dispite thier limitations, I am thinking of getting them to get started.

Would it be better to wait a few months and get the xyzs’ or amerivends

Are they that bad?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 26, 2007, 2:04 pm

Now that I realize which machines the U-Turns and the Vendstars are, I completely agree with Steve.

These machines are assets that you want to keep for a long time and possibly sell to someone else.

Plus, I think that the all-metal machines just look so much nicer.

If it were me, I’d go XYZ, Amerivend, or Seaga. If you can’t wait, I think you can get Seagas at Sam’s Club.

Comment from David Rea
Time: May 26, 2007, 6:24 pm

Another question:

Brian you are averaging $24 per machine
Steve, you are averaging $8 per machine or per head?

This seems like a rather large difference.

Any comments?

Is is unrealistic to shoot for a $24 gross/month for a three head machine?

This is what I am basing my projections on.

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 26, 2007, 6:29 pm

Since I am limiting my route to about 50 machines, I can afford to be a little more selective. If I were to really go for it like Steve, and get 600 machines, I think my average would probably be closer to 8. I’ve also been lucky to land a few whoppers that bring up my overall average.

Comment from David Rea
Time: May 26, 2007, 6:33 pm

How dop you switch a candy type out on a seaga?
do the individual canisters come out - or do you have to tip the whole machine over?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: May 26, 2007, 6:37 pm

I think there are “trap doors” at the bottom of each compartment, but to be honest, it’s still a pain in the behind. I usually just put on some rubber gloves and scoop it out.

I try as hard as I can to pick the right candy upfront. For me that’s usually skittles, reeses, and gumballs (peanut M&M’s if they don’t want gum).

Comment from David Rea
Time: May 26, 2007, 6:49 pm

Thank you so much for your help. I just found 40 machines - metal trivends for 29 ea. They are close enough to drive and get them - I hope they don’t sell real fast, I am going to offer to buy them 10 at a time over the next two month. That is all I can transport during each run.

$290 for 10 metal machines - seems like the best deal I have found.

Thanks again!!!

I will write back later when some machines are placed

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Comment from Jonathan Roy
Time: June 6, 2007, 12:22 am

Hi , i am jonathan thanx for all the suggestion you gave me. I did not had good luck with finding locations myself but i hired a company. currently i have about 5 bulk candy machines out there. i bought 25 more this business does make sense when you think about numbers. i was amazed by one of my locations when i took out $45 out of it i was kind of surprised. I am glad i did not Get into the snack and soda machines as they are time consuming. I had a question about making my small candy business a corporation LLC?? so i was wondering if it is a good idea??? Thanx
from johnny

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: June 6, 2007, 5:48 am

I’m not an accountant or a lawyer, but I think it’s a good idea to form an LLC after you have accumulated enough machines to pay for it.

Just curious, how much did it cost to have someone hey locations for you?

Comment from Bill
Time: June 7, 2007, 1:22 pm

Hi, I have a question in regards to the legal side of starting this vending business. I know that laws are different based on states but I’m wondering how easy or difficult others have found it to obtain business licenses, etc. I found a website in my county that tells me I need to have a business licence, state witholding tax number, Federal EIN, State Certificate of Registration, and Trade Name Registration. Am I actually going to spend $500 or $1000 on this paperwork just to start off with three little candy machines? I want to try this out in my spare time and will only do it legally but is it worth the money/effort to get these permits?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: June 7, 2007, 10:16 pm

Thanks for the question Bill. Obtaining my liscences in the state of Texas and California was fairly simple, straightforward, and inexpensive. I wish I knew more about laws in other parts of the world.

If it costs $1000 in your country to start a business, that would make me think twice about starting a part-time business. It would definately be worth it if you knew that you were going to get 100 locations.

Does anyone else have any insight that might help Bill?

Comment from Jonathan roy
Time: June 7, 2007, 11:36 pm

Hi mr Bill i dont think it should cost that much for a license. Online companies do charge a lot for a license. i live in Georgia so i called my country department and asked them how i call apply for a license. They put a board infornt of my house just saying that i am going to start a business and if someone has problem they can tell the country. I got my license in about 10 days. it costed me about $85 i just got mine last month in may. So i would definately say call your county business office and it should be not more than $100. hope i helped. have a blessed weekend good luck
johnny

Comment from Bill
Time: June 8, 2007, 4:04 am

Thanks very much, Gentlemen. I’m in Georgia as well so that’s encouraging to hear that the process for obtaining licenses isn’t too lengthy or expensive.

Comment from David Rea
Time: June 19, 2007, 6:08 pm

Well, I got a great deal on some nice used machines. $600 for 30 machines. I placed two in a Chinese Buffet (had to pay 20% of the take) they were placed saturday afternoon, and checked a little over a week later - monday afternoon (9 days) the two machines took in $37.75 gross.
The majority was from the machine on the left, the other machine is a little bit behind a door when it opens.

What I learned: These things can make serious money - this location should gross over 100 a month, and i have secured another similar, and busier location to boot. Not bad. Getting the locations is the key. You have to be comfortable doing this.

I used our churches food band as a charity. People really like this. It is a local charity, and I am a member of the church (also the pastor…)

People like it becasue it is local, and becasue it helps to feed needy people. We buy our food for .14 /pound - so 10% donation can conservitily buy 10# of food per month - that is the selling point.

The shock was when I came up to the machine it still had a lot of candy in it - i was sure that it was a flop. The runtz still looked FULL! (they were filled to the brim before being placed.

Then I opened the back and BEHOLD . . . QUARTERS!

And lots of them…

151 of them :)

even with the vends set very big, it takes a lot to empty a machine.

Thanks for the info on! It has helped me take my first big step!

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: June 19, 2007, 6:12 pm

Nice job! That’s awesome! It feels good to have those quarters just falling all over the floor when you open the door, doesn’t it!

Comment from Steve
Time: June 20, 2007, 11:26 am

I must be doing something wrong! I’ve never taken close to $40 from any location in 9 days. 30 days maybe but not 9. My hat is off to you sir. You are doing a great job.

Comment from David Rea
Time: June 20, 2007, 4:03 pm

I specifically went after HIGH trafic locations. This is location is a HUGE Chinese buffet that is always packed. The one thing that seems to help is that I live in an area that is rapidly expanding. I am ariving before the competition.

Other locations will not have the traffic this one does.

Just followed ya’ll’s advice - THANK YOU!

Comment from KittyKat07
Time: June 23, 2007, 12:12 am

Hi, I also have a question about the licensing part of this business. I’m guessing if you have a small vending business, getting an LLC would not be the wisest choice? But if that’s the case, wouldn’t just getting a license be risky also? Like Steve was saying, worse case scenario someone could get hurt.

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Comment from jeff
Time: July 3, 2007, 11:19 am

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Comment from Passer by
Time: July 6, 2007, 2:28 pm

This is a great idea for smaller towns, but at least in my city, Philadelphia PA, the place is full of large vending companies. I had a video game machine I was trying to find a home for and every pizza shop and restaurant in the neighborhood already had exclusive agreements with the big vending companies.

I also worked after hours dispatch for a vending company for a while too and I saw first-hand the high volume of calls on Friday and Saturday night from disgruntled (and often drunk) people saying that the machine ate their money. Most of the repair calls though were for the touch-screen games and the cigarette machines, not so much the candy machines. I can’t imagine it being worth the trouble though. And bars won’t take your machine unless you post a phone number on them for service, so you’d have to pay for an answering service too unless you want to be called at all hours.

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Comment from Kyle G.
Time: July 16, 2007, 6:58 pm

Wait.. Passer by.

This is not true: “This is a great idea for smaller towns, but at least in my city, Philadelphia PA, the place is full of large vending companies”.

My town is big, and I am small, (15 machines) yet I am making it. Large Vending Company’s tend to forget there machines for a wile. You catch that at the right time, you got a new location. If you are willing to try, you can be up there with the big guys!

Brian,

What brand machines do you use? I am curious. I have XYZ Vending and GMW machines. I love them! This blog helped me start my business. Thank you Brian, and I wish I could get that deal you got from E-Bay!

My Vending Blog:

http://guthvending-myvendingblog.blogspot.com/

Check it out!

Kyle G.

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: July 16, 2007, 7:37 pm

You’re right, Kyle. I’m doing it Los Angeles.

I think he was referring to packaged vending, which I don’t want any part of.

I use Amerivend and Seaga, both are great. I’ve seen the XYZ’s and they look a lot like my Amerivends. Since I can’t find Amerivend anymore, maybe they changed their name.

I’m writing another vending blog post as week speak. Look for it tomorrow.

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Comment from chad mcclung
Time: August 13, 2007, 1:33 pm

A question for you vending pros. I’ve been looking into triple head candy/gum machines. What do you think about the 1-800-vending machines with their interchangeable canisters? They are expensive, but they sure look nice, and seem to be well made. They also offer free placement with your purchase by a person on the ground, not by phone. They have an out clause if you don’t like the locations.
Also, Steve, are all of your 600 machines candy machines? If you are getting $8 a month profit, I would assume you’re getting $10 a month gross. Divide that out by 30 days, assuming .25 per purchase, you’re only getting 1.3 purchases a day from each machine? That seems pretty low. Please set me straight if I am incorrect.
Also, does anyone have experience with the other, more unique machines with the lights, bells, whistles, etc? How about all of the other, non candy, machines:
novelty, stickers, “impulse”, love meters, compu-scales, etc? How do these machines perform compared to traditional looking ones?
Thanks,
Chad

Comment from chad mcclung
Time: August 13, 2007, 1:35 pm

Also Brian, why are you selling those 40 machines? Your average is so good, are you unable to place them all?

Comment from chad mcclung
Time: August 13, 2007, 1:36 pm

Sorry, read it wrong. Anyway, why are you selling them?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: August 13, 2007, 3:53 pm

Chad,

I don’t know much about 1-800-vending. I tend to prefer the old fashioned way of buying simple machines and placing them myself. I’m actually not selling my machines. You’re right, they’re much more valuable to me for the cashflow.

Comment from jonathan roy
Time: August 13, 2007, 7:59 pm

hi, 1800 vending are good. I got a good deal from this guy so i bought 3 1800 machines for $80 a piece. I personally like the iron vending machines less chances of having the machine fall. I started with 10 machines and now i have 35 machines some 800 vending, two headed, triple head, still have 12 more to place in businesses.

Comment from jonathan roy
Time: August 15, 2007, 12:30 am

hi, this johnny i had a question to ask you since you have been in the business for soo long do you face any problems with ants getting in machines????? not that i have that problem but i was concerned about it. thanx

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: August 15, 2007, 1:05 am

I’ve never had a problem with that. As long as you have hard candy, the bugs seem not to like it.

I have been told not to put peanuts in pet stores because they tend to attract worms.

Comment from Steven T
Time: August 16, 2007, 6:35 pm

Brian, thanks for all of your insightful advice and experience. You have been a great to those of us who are looking to start a small vending business. I have researched many companies and seem to like the 1800vending machines, but they are so darn expensive comparitively speaking. They also are a lot more attractive than the traditional machines, especially for hospitals and the like. Any thoughts on the influence of machine attractability and consumer spending?

Comment from Steven T
Time: August 16, 2007, 6:37 pm

Also, what are your thoughts on interchangeable canisters versus the traditional trap door machines? Is the higher cost of the former worth the investment and convenience? Thanks!

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: August 16, 2007, 7:06 pm

I’m a big fan of the all-metal, 3 compartment machines like the one in the picture at the top. I really don’t have any experience otherwise.

I think that metal machines look cleaner and more professional, and I would think that would encourage more sales.

Comment from :D
Time: August 16, 2007, 10:30 pm

Anything better than vending machines and candy? I don’t like making money off of the expense of other people’s health.

Comment from Scott Reinhardt
Time: August 18, 2007, 7:57 am

As a 15 year old vending company operator and owner this post was a great help, I would like to thank you for taking the time to spread your expertise.

Thanks: Scott Reinhardt

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Comment from Paul
Time: September 2, 2007, 6:55 am

Brian, There were posts in April related to protecting yourself legally. You mentioned a business license and good records for the IRS. Steve mentioned becoming an LLC or expensive insurance. As you progressed in this business what have you learned on this front. Do you recommend becoming an LLC or do you recommend insurance for someone who might be looking to eventually stock 80 machines. I know you’re not a lawyer, but what is your opinion?

Comment from Brian Lee
Time: September 2, 2007, 12:22 pm

I have an LLC and keep pretty detailed records. I’ve never really thought about insurance, I guess I figure I’ll just turn over the business if anything happens.

I’m probably the worst person in the world to ask legal/administrative questions.

Comment from Steve
Time: September 2, 2007, 12:32 pm

Paul,

I have started a web discussion site dedicated to helping new vendors with their vending questions. There are many new vendors who have similar questions. With Brians permission, I would like to invite you to read some of our members posts. If interested you can visit us at http://www.VENDiscuss.com.

Brian, I hope that this post doesn’t violate your posting policies and if so please feel free to delete. I will understand. As you know, I have done my best to add valuable content to your blog as well so I hope this is not viewed as just another spam ad.

Thanks,
Steve

Comment from Paul
Time: September 4, 2007, 7:47 pm

Brian/Steve,
It’s a real drag that business decisions are sometimes influenced by such a litigious society. I guess an LLC will have to work to start. Thanks for the information.

Comment from chad
Time: September 5, 2007, 4:14 pm

nice read. I just started out with this myself. I placed 20 machines in the last week and I am ready to go see tomorrow how they are doing. :) cant wait.
Another thing to say about this small business is the tax benefits. After talking to my accountant it seems to be a tax friendl business, especially the first couple years as you build. 48 cents a mile is a nice write off too.

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Comment from Josh
Time: September 11, 2007, 11:49 am

Guys, I am completely new to this. My buddy had a machine sitting around and said he would help me out. It seems that there are many extremely knowledgeable people on this board, so I was hoping to get a topic explained by you all. Do you usually