Can Men and Women Really be “Just Friends?”

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by Brian Lee on November 6, 2006 .

There is a scene in the movie “When Harry Met Sally,” where Harry (played by Billy Crystal) tells Sally (played by Meg Ryan) that Men and Women can never be friends. Sally, of course, is insulted that he would say such an awful thing and rejects the notion. Ironically, they end up being friends for years before sleeping together, which changes everything. If you haven’t seen the movie, I won’t spoil the ending for you.

Does Harry have a point? The writer of the movie, Nora Ephron, poses a question through this dialog that few people consider: Do intimate but purely platonic male-female friendships exist or are we just kidding ourselves?

I would assume that most people, especially women, agree with Sally and take for granted that they do exist. I, on the other hand, see some truth in what Harry is saying. While I am not so naïve as to believe that these types of friendship have never existed, I would be willing to bet that they are much less common that most people think.

Before I offend the entire readership of this blog, lets define “intimate but purely platonic friendships” for the sake of this article. I am not talking about friends who hang out occasionally or share laughs together at work. I am not even talking about people who count on each other in a time of need. I am talking about people who fit these three criteria:

1) They spend a lot of leisure time alone together, not just a few lunches every now and them.

2) They trust each other to the point where they share private information with each other that few other people know.

3) They share an emotional bond but neither is sexually attracted to the other.

This definition describes most “best friends” of the same sex, but how frequently does this definition describe a male-female relationship?

In my experience, I have seen many examples of women who enjoy keeping male friends around because they like being able to access a “man’s perspective” without the complications of sexual attraction. Some women actually prefer to have male friends because they can avoid the cattiness and social competitiveness that exists in some female friendships. Even though these women are perfectly happy with their intimate relationships with men, I wonder how many of their male “friends” would sleep with them given the opportunity.

On the other hand, I have also seen many examples of men who, after failing to get a favorable response from their advances toward a woman, continue their pursuit by befriending her. The befriended woman doesn’t realize that by carrying on the charade, she is slowly ripping his heart out.

I know a woman who used to take a guy friend shopping with her every week to tell her how she looked as she tried on dresses and swimsuits. She thought that he was just a really great friend who was sharing some great insight with her on how she looked to men.

He finally couldn’t take it anymore. One night after having some wine, he broke down. He told her that she had been slowly torturing him, he was secretly in love with her, and this so-called friendship was driving him crazy! She was completely blindsided. She never considered that he was sexually attracted to her. At least he had the courage to say something. Many men never do.

To all the women out there who are shaking your heads like Sally and are listing all the men that you have as friends as proof against this notion; I would just say that you might be surprised as to how many of these men are attracted to you.

You see, when men look for someone to be friends with, we look for someone with whom we can watch TV, play sports, go fishing, or have a barbecue. Men bond over activities. We tend not to talk about our emotions, ask each other for advice, and we certainly don’t go shopping with each other if we can avoid it. You might be thinking that these are the very things that are wrong with us (and you might be right) but this is the way we are.

On the other hand, many men mistakenly befriend the women that they are secretly in love with only to get hurt emotionally. Since sharing emotions with someone is not something that comes naturally for us, when we do share our emotions it takes an enormous amount of energy. Sharing our feelings leaves us feeling vulnerable, so we save this sacred gift for the woman we want deeply. Women often mistake this emotional exchange as an act of friendship, because that is what comes naturally for them.

To all the men out there who have spilled your guts out to some woman in the hopes that she will someday see that you are meant to be together: I’m sorry. Although I empathize with you, I must tell you—she’s never going to come around. While emotions come naturally for women, sharing activity doesn’t, so a woman tends to only share activity with the man she wants. I think you know what I’m talking about when I say, “share activity.” Basically, if you have a purely emotional relationship with a woman that you want, without any activity, you’re probably not the one.

“Swingers,” my favorite movie of all time, has a scene where Trent (played by Vince Vaughn) is trying to give some advice to his friend Mike (played by Jon Favreau). Mike made the mistake of getting emotional right away with a girl that he was interested in. Instead of being clear that he was interested in her, he spills his guts out to her about his ex. Trent warns him of ending up on the “friendship tip,” meaning that once she sees him as a friend, she will never see him as anything more.

This brings up an interesting view of how men get hurt in relationships. Everyone is familiar with a common way that women get hurt: a man sleeps with her and never calls. While women get hurt by sharing something that is sacred to them, their sexual activity, men get hurt by sharing what is sacred to us, our emotional energy. While I am not trying to make excuses for men, or convince anyone to feel sorry for us, I do think that people should be aware of how this works.

Understanding the fundamental differences between men and women can go a long way to promote communication between us. Men and women operate in completely different paradigms. I recommend reading a book by John Gray called “Women are From Venus, Men are From Mars.” It helps to explain the differences in thinking between the sexes. When it comes down to it, we really do seem to come from different planets!

A man who doesn’t know this information will just assume that women think the way he does. He might go around sleeping with them like it’s no big deal, leaving a wake of scarred women. On the other hand, a woman who doesn’t know this information will just assume that all men think the way she does. She might go around befriending men to make up for her boyfriend’s emotional void. She saves her sexual activity for her boyfriend and gets to express her emotions to her guy “friends.” While this seems perfectly acceptable by societal standards, she doesn’t realize what she is doing to these men.

When I was in college one of my favorite classes was on interpersonal communication. The class really opened my eyes to the different ways that people think. As you can imagine a class on human relationships tends to breed close friendships within the class. We formed a tight-knit group of friends and continued the discussions after class.

I made an especially strong connection with an attractive girl in our group. We would take long walks and spend hours on the phone discussing what we were learning and sharing our beliefs with each other. Even though she had a boyfriend, I was absolutely convinced that we were meant to be together. At the time, I felt like she was the only person in the world who completely understood me.

The more we talked, the more I was hooked. This went on for the rest of the semester. It started to get really ugly when she began to bring up her relationship and ask me for advice. We could both agree that he was a jerk and that they shouldn’t be together but she continued to stay with him. As we talked I felt like we were on the same page, but when we hung up I was no better off than before.

When I look back on the situation, I realize that she had no incentive to leave him. All her needs were being met. He was fulfilling her physical needs and I was fulfilling her emotional needs. I was incorrectly projecting my own paradigm on her and thinking that we were on the same page.

When I finally figured out what was going on, it was a huge relief. While I still hung out with her from time to time in the group, I stopped spending the intense, emotional, one-on-one time with her that was killing me. In fact, I wasn’t even angry at her anymore. I was able to see past the situation and realize that she really wasn’t even my type.

These types of stories are very common, in fact, I know many men who have been in the same situation. These experiences foster the impression that nice guys really do finish last. Some men get hardened by these experiences and decide that the only way to get the girl is to be a jerk.

I am not advocating the “jerk” mentality, but I am suggesting that there is a duality that exists between nice guys and jerks. The “nice guy” mentality hurts men, and the “jerk” mentality hurts women. The answer, as in most dualistic situations, is not somewhere in between, but above. Men should be advised to take the emotional part of relationships slowly. Just as women are often advised to hold off until they get physical, men should hold off until they get emotional. I am not saying that men should never open up, because that would sort of be the “jerk” mentality. I am simply suggesting to ease into it.

Taking it slow has several advantages. First of all, it creates a little mystery. Women like the challenge of finding out who a man really is and if he tells her all at once the mystery is over. Second, a man who plays all his cards at once, by law of attraction, comes off as desperate. By trying so hard, he is simply reaffirming the fact that he doesn’t have her. Law of Attraction states that a person gets more of what he thinks about, so as he is dwelling on not having her, he continues to experience that result. Third, he is protecting himself from ending up on the “friendship tip.”

Most of all, men need to learn how to be tough. If a woman isn’t interested in you, move on. If you are interested in a woman, be clear about your intentions. Don’t try to sneak into a relationship by befriending her first. This just leads to confusion and heartache down the road.

To women, I would just suggest being aware of this phenomenon. Most men aren’t looking for a woman to go shopping with. This especially applies to exes. A lot of women have the idealistic view that no matter what happens in their relationship, they will always be “friends” with their partner. They break up, enter a new relationship, but keep in touch with their ex.

Many people will disagree, but can’t think of anything positive that comes out of maintaining an intimate friendship with an ex after you move on to a new relationship. There are a million reasons why this might not be practical, such as kids or shared property, but holding on to an ex tends to only complicate things.

First of all, in most cases men have no reason to remain emotionally close with an ex except to keep the door open. We don’t like to spend emotional energy, and only do so for someone we want to be with. With exes, the emotional energy spent is multiplied exponentially and the man has even less reason to remain close unless he has other intentions. This at best is unfair to her new partner.

Secondly, remaining close with an ex only increases doubt and mistrust in the mind of a new partner. This is especially true for men. We know how other men think, so we can see right through the ex’s attempts to be “friends” with her. This can be extremely painful for us because we know what is going on, but she is oblivious.

Lastly, it diminishes his sense of manhood when his partner spends excessive time with an ex. We feel best about our relationships when our partners make us feel useful and powerful. While we have come a long ways since men went out and killed the food while women stayed home to cook it, we still instinctively have strong feelings about being able to provide for our partners. Spending time with her ex makes us feel like the ex is fulfilling her needs instead of us.

Remember the woman who used to take the guy shopping with her? She revealed that story to me after a long conversation on this topic. At first, she reacted like Sally. She started naming off all the men that she considered friends; but after explaining my theories to her, a light went off in her head. She realized that of these friendships had ended after they made an advance on her. Learning why this was happening was a huge relief. Now she makes sure that her intentions are clear when entering relationships with men, therefore avoiding confusion.

In this article I have used a very dualistic tone, making it sound like every man thinks a certain way and every woman thinks another. Relativistic people will point out that there are not only exceptions to every rule, but often many shades of gray between black and white. Of coarse examples exist of intimate but purely platonic male-female friendships. Again, I am just suggesting that they are less common than people think.

While I understand that a relativistic perspective is an important part of critical thinking; I find that the best way to understand a situation is to start by looking at it dualistically. After I identify the two opposing forces at work, I then use relativistic thinking to help me understand the gray areas in between.

The most obvious exception is the gay and lesbian community. I can only write from a heterosexual perspective, but it would be interesting to know if any of these principles apply to the homosexual world. (Comments, anyone?)

Maybe men and women will never understand each other. Maybe women will continue to think that they can be “just friends” with men and men will continue to think that these friendships will turn into romances. One thing I know for sure is that not understanding each other helps keep us attracted to one another. The excitement in a relationship comes from continually learning about each other and growing together. Someone once said, “If two people agree on everything, then one of you is unnecessary.” It wouldn’t be as fun if we all were the same.

Good reading by other authors:
Guidelines for Platonic Friendships

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1 g August 16, 2010 at 2:00 am

This is not good news my friend. You better wean yourself off this relatioship. I wonder whether you are single or in another relationship. If you are single, I would get girl friend as soon as possible. You need to face up her being upset. It is her being upset and you are not responsible for that. I assume you told her how you feel abou ther, if not, you certainly should. You are obviously getting rather depressed about this. It is also possible that you are dealing with childhood feelings of seperation from the mother and it might not be at all about your “friend”. The only way to find out is to fall in love with someone else. My experience is that unsatisfied desire can lead to fixation and it is better to detach and open up to other women. This can be a most healing experience. Don’t worry too much about how she reacts to this, and anyway, it is none of her business. You are in no obligation to tell her. However, if you are actually in a permanent relationship already, then you are in deeper shit than I thought. In this case, you have to resolve this first!

2 Red Red August 26, 2010 at 1:38 pm

ok….first of all loved your article and view on things…and everyone’s opinions. i’ve always felt girls and boys and be best friends because i have one well….read below because now i’m not so sure.

I have a male best friend. He’s an AMAZING person, i’ve never met a guy like him before. Ex’s of mine have thought we dated before and are jealous of our friendship…We tell each other EVERYTHING..things I never need to know about (due to gross out factor) he’ll tell me. I love our friendship. He knows me better than anyone and vice versus. He knows all of my family really well and they all love him and vice versus.

Right now we’re both young (i’m 22 and he’s 25) and single and enjoying it..we share a bed when we sleep over at our each other’s house and cuddle sometimes when we’re watching a movie..that’s just how our friendship has always been..we’ve always been extremely affectionate with each other…hugs, cuddling, kiss on the cheek..whatever. we’re just super comfortable with each other and we’ve always told each other I love you, as friends of course. we’ve never had sex and he’s never made a pass at me at all, just affection because, at least myself, am a very nurturing type of person.

But recently everyone, my family, my other friends, strangers all assume we’re dating because they all believe that men and women can’t just be friends…everyone cracks jokes like “oh you two are going to vegas this weekend? don’t get drunk and married..although you two might as well get it over with because you’ll end up married eventually anyways.”

Soooo to get to the point…a few months ago we hadn’t seen each other in a couple months and i went to a birthday party at some club for one of our friends and we hung out and got really drunk and you know he kissed me (not make out) but that’s not unusual for us..we’ve once again always been affectionate..and we get to house later to sleep and we’re cuddling and he starts drunkenly rambling about how “he’s so glad im in his life and that he’s so happy im here with him right now. and how he loves me so much and how he doesn’t really trust anyone but he trusts me completely and would do anything in the world for me. and I’m his family in California (since his family lives in Ohio, where he’s from) and that he’s mad at himself for letting me date my ex boyfriend for so long (it was a VERRRRRY bad relationship to which he was my shoulder to cry on most times…) because i’m such an amazingly good person..” and so on.. so the next day we laugh and i tell him what he was saying because he asks me and he’s just like “aww i guess i love you hahaha”…so we drop and continue on with life…

well now when he gets drunk (not every single time but often) he texts me the same types of things ..how much he loves me and how he’s so happy im in his life and yada yada…(i text him when i’m drunk too that i love him and am so happy he’s my best friend…it goes both ways) which he never used to do…yes tell me in person but not while he’s out with other people….

my best friend, is good looking, and a fun awesome person and gets ANY girl he wants when he’s out. and I am not his type of girl he likes…i’m the only girl he has never tried to have sex with let alone his only TRUE 100% strictly friend that is a girl, if that makes sense, and his CLOSEST friend…so i’m just confused as to if he possibly loves me more than a friend deep down but is “sewing his wild-oats” if you want to call it that or what? (Men’s opinions please…)

i only started to question this friendship because i told this story to my closest girl friends and another one of my guy friends and they “planted the seed” in my head that the only reason they can see it that he “keeps me around” is because he does truely love me more than a friend…

I don’t know what to think …i’d love to hear anyone’s opinions :] thanks for listening!

3 g August 26, 2010 at 5:12 pm

Perhaps you love him but he doesn’t love you?

4 Steve August 26, 2010 at 7:26 pm

Of course he is in love with you, especially if he’s telling you everything…

5 Drawn in.... August 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm

@Red Red..

You need to keep reading some of the comments, started by this great article. They describe viewpoints of kinds of “love & sponge” friends that you seem to find yourself in.

I say he may love you and may be to immature (relationship wise) to want more from those other girls you say he could always have. You know, noncommittal in his feelings towards you cause boys dont look at whole package. The “dont settle till you explore the sea” mantra. Thats possibly why he never had the guts to want you and say its only you. Fear of not getting something elusive that he thinks you dont have. Dont let my opinion hurt you, but you both have crossed the “simply friends” line so just give up that explination and face some reality. Twenty something young men dont sleep and kiss a girl in her bed and not at least think about sex. Just a thought.

Crazy as this sounds, and you can tell I’m a guy, but its like that movie “Kick Ass”. The young dude pretended he was something he was not and the audiance all knew what he was thinking….or maybe I just rented it recently and it came to mind. Whatever. Worth comparing to your sleeping and kissing and dont mean anything comments though.

Anyway, there is always two sides too every story though, so maybe the same thoughts can be said of you in this. Search yourself a bit before you demand answers from him. Good luck in your struggle to understand what you have and what you want. I hope you dont loose a good thing, if it is one. But remember, if you have both been truly honest, there would be no confusion in all this. Honesty is often mistaken for openness. You can be very open but still hide truths inside. It is that last little bit of truth that defines if someone is really being honest …..put that in your pipe and smoke THAT thought for awhile! :)

6 g August 27, 2010 at 5:07 pm

Well, perhaps it is not love like between a man and a woman but more like between children or siblings. Is rather sweet – but aren’t you both a little old for that? On the other hand, why shouldn’t it be possible to have such a friendship between a boy and a girl. Perhaps you are both scared to find out whether it is love? I have no idea but what I do know is the following: you are not just friends, neither of you! Well, this is what I think, but I might be wrong, of course. I thought what Red Red said was quite good. I am not sure at all whether your friend ever had sex in his life. If this was true, and he is playing the field all the time and behaving they way you discribe it towards you – he would not be in love but just playing games. Anyhow, being friend of your family and all the rest, it possibly rather the other way around. He is scared and can only talk straight when drunk, and so are you. I think it is about time to grow up a little and stop playing brother and sister.

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